Comments on: London calling http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling Random musings of a Southern geek Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:27:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-beta3-9841 hourly 1 By: Avery http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-30237 Avery Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:49:03 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-30237 one thing that I have trouble with is the word inocents, who are thes people? If we let our leaders do what ever they like with no stopping them from invading a country just for the fun of it our comsitution tells us it is our falt, therfor we are not inocent, why should any other country have all the inocents and we have none. all people are responcable for what there leaders do no matter what contry they live in. bigkey said that one thing that I have trouble with is the word inocents, who are thes people? If we let our leaders do what ever they like with no stopping them from invading a country just for the fun of it our comsitution tells us it is our falt, therfor we are not inocent, why should any other country have all the inocents and we have none. all people are responcable for what there leaders do no matter what contry they live in. bigkey said that

]]> By: B Polhemus http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-24049 B Polhemus Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:53:07 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-24049 http://www.polhemus.cc/blog/?p=199 http://www.polhemus.cc/blog/?p=199

]]> By: Whither The Fool? » “Cause”? What “Cause”? http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-24048 Whither The Fool? » “Cause”? What “Cause”? Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:52:20 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-24048 [...] I came across this blogpost, respectfully expressing support for the victims of the terror attacks in London three days ago. [...] [...] I came across this blogpost, respectfully expressing support for the victims of the terror attacks in London three days ago. [...]

]]> By: Val Dobson http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-24033 Val Dobson Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:51:38 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-24033 Greg Mee: "It worked very well in Spain. The bombers got exactly what they wanted." Utter BS, and it's high time Americans stopped trying to spread this lie. Withdrawal from Iraq was an election pledge of the Spanish opposition party, who were already pulling ahead in the polls before Madrid got bombed. Then the Spanish PM tried to blame the bombing on ETA - a crassly clumsy move that the voters saw right through. So, they elected the opposition party, who promptly carried out their election pledge. It was democracy in action, Greg - NOT craven cowardice. Greg Mee: “It worked very well in Spain. The bombers got exactly what they wanted.”
Utter BS, and it’s high time Americans stopped trying to spread this lie. Withdrawal from Iraq was an election pledge of the Spanish opposition party, who were already pulling ahead in the polls before Madrid got bombed. Then the Spanish PM tried to blame the bombing on ETA - a crassly clumsy move that the voters saw right through.
So, they elected the opposition party, who promptly carried out their election pledge. It was democracy in action, Greg - NOT craven cowardice.

]]> By: Christiaan http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-24024 Christiaan Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:30:22 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-24024 That's a bullshit argument Mark. "Our" targets involve predictable numbers of what "we" call "collateral damage". This is the reality of waging a war of aggression on other nations. Some argue that figure in Iraq is now somewhere around 100,000 (this is around the figure I predicted it would be before the invasion). "Their" argument that their victims are collateral damage is no different to "ours." Tell me though Mark, were the non-stop bombing raids in North Vietnam, and the resulting millions of dead, military targets? The hundreds of thousands killed in Cambodia by these bombing raids? The napalm attacks of villages in Vietnam? The use of fire and cluster bombs in Iraq recently, the bombing of Fallujah and other major cities in Iraq? The bombing of water and electrical plants of Iraq in 1991? The bombing of Lebanon in 1982-84 (this is the one that pissed bin Laden off)? The tens of thousands of Dresden? Or how about the hundreds of thousands in the fire bombing of Japanese cities and the hundreds of thousands of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Were they "military" targets Mark? Truth be told I haven't even begun to list the number of civilians killed by "us" over the decades, and no amount of propaganda that we're the "good guys" is going to change that, only the downfall of our governments will change anything, something "they" very much have this thought in "their" minds. You see they're not interested in "stopping our way of life" as the corporate media incessantly "reports". No they just want to stop us from interferring in theirs. That’s a bullshit argument Mark. “Our” targets involve predictable numbers of what “we” call “collateral damage”. This is the reality of waging a war of aggression on other nations. Some argue that figure in Iraq is now somewhere around 100,000 (this is around the figure I predicted it would be before the invasion). “Their” argument that their victims are collateral damage is no different to “ours.” Tell me though Mark, were the non-stop bombing raids in North Vietnam, and the resulting millions of dead, military targets? The hundreds of thousands killed in Cambodia by these bombing raids? The napalm attacks of villages in Vietnam? The use of fire and cluster bombs in Iraq recently, the bombing of Fallujah and other major cities in Iraq? The bombing of water and electrical plants of Iraq in 1991? The bombing of Lebanon in 1982-84 (this is the one that pissed bin Laden off)? The tens of thousands of Dresden? Or how about the hundreds of thousands in the fire bombing of Japanese cities and the hundreds of thousands of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Were they “military” targets Mark? Truth be told I haven’t even begun to list the number of civilians killed by “us” over the decades, and no amount of propaganda that we’re the “good guys” is going to change that, only the downfall of our governments will change anything, something “they” very much have this thought in “their” minds. You see they’re not interested in “stopping our way of life” as the corporate media incessantly “reports”. No they just want to stop us from interferring in theirs.

]]> By: Mark J http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-24015 Mark J Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:47:39 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-24015 Their targets are civilian, ours are military. Any argument for "terrorism" being subjective that doesn't take this into account is being extremely dishonest. Their targets are civilian, ours are military. Any argument for “terrorism” being subjective that doesn’t take this into account is being extremely dishonest.

]]> By: Greg Mee http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-23897 Greg Mee Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:11:45 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-23897 Thoughts and prayers to the UK from America. "History has shown time and time again that terrorism is an ineffective tool for change." Oh? It worked very well in Spain. The bombers got exactly what they wanted. Y. Arrafat (sp?) of the PLO got to lead a people and a lot of UN support through terrorism. Personally, I think Mr. Blair should make an announcement along the lines of, "At the request of the bombers we are sending several SAS units to Iraq with orders to hunt down and kill everyone connected to any terrorist actions in the UK." Thoughts and prayers to the UK from America.

“History has shown time and time again that terrorism
is an ineffective tool for change.”

Oh? It worked very well in Spain. The bombers got exactly what they wanted.

Y. Arrafat (sp?) of the PLO got to lead a people and a lot of UN
support through terrorism.

Personally, I think Mr. Blair should make an announcement along the
lines of, “At the request of the bombers we are sending several
SAS units to Iraq with orders to hunt down and kill everyone
connected to any terrorist actions in the UK.”

]]> By: Andy Skelton http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-23893 Andy Skelton Fri, 08 Jul 2005 15:36:02 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-23893 Phil: I am not talking about OUR memes, words, definitions, press coverage or anything like that. I am talking about the socially propagated ideas in THEIR heads that prompt terrorism. For us, it's not really a meme, it's a topic. For them, terrorism is a true meme and the childred catch on to it very early. It must not be allowed to propagate, that's all. If we can't think of a better way than genocide, we're not very clever, "r we"? Phil: I am not talking about OUR memes, words, definitions, press coverage or anything like that. I am talking about the socially propagated ideas in THEIR heads that prompt terrorism. For us, it’s not really a meme, it’s a topic. For them, terrorism is a true meme and the childred catch on to it very early. It must not be allowed to propagate, that’s all. If we can’t think of a better way than genocide, we’re not very clever, “r we”?

]]> By: kinkistyle http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-23890 kinkistyle Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:08:32 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-23890 Iraqi civilians face bombings, explosions and deaths on an almost daily basis - it has become a part of their daily lives - something that wasn't so before they were invaded. It fascinates me how the civilians of a country that invaded a nation and is fighting a war is utterly devastated and shocked when they get a taste of what war is like. Iraqi civilians face bombings, explosions and deaths on an almost daily basis - it has become a part of their daily lives - something that wasn’t so before they were invaded.

It fascinates me how the civilians of a country that invaded a nation and is fighting a war is utterly devastated and shocked when they get a taste of what war is like.

]]> By: neurox http://dougal.gunters.org/blog/2005/07/07/london-calling/comment-page-1#comment-23889 neurox Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:13:12 +0000 http://dougal.gunters.org/?p=618#comment-23889 Drop by http://www.werenotafraid.com/ Drop by http://www.werenotafraid.com/

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